those who kill the creative joy

After yesterday’s somewhat subtle post and other ongoing nonsense which once again took up a bunch of my time to deal with -here is what is going on.

An online shibori techniques on silk class has been announced on another site.  (I actually know this person as she was a past customer who has previously asked my thoughts on formatting her own online teaching site-I shared my experience with her.  She even asked me to teach there.  I have not, preferring to do my own thing -as usual.)  Interested in her new online shibori class offering, I clicked to the class signup page.  I saw it was being taught by someone who has taken all my own online dye classes.   The images selected to present for the class seemed a bit off.  Having seen an awful lot of shibori I questioned the site owner as to whether or not these pieces were the work of the instructor.  She assured me they were.  I actually signed up for the class, wondering.

Then, I received my DYERSlist email for the day.  There, the List Mom is promoting this same online shibori class.  I wondered about this.  I emailed the List Mom and asked if I could also put a link to my online classes there.  I asked because it was my understanding that since this list is hosted on a public university site there was to be no personal commercial promotion.  I received back an email saying that no, I couldn’t post like that-that I would need to have someone else post for me, preferably someone who had taken the class. I emailed back and asked if she had taken this class. No response so far (impossible I think as the class hasn’t yet occurred).  OK.

So back to the class listing.  I decided my best recourse was to do a new blog post (yesterdays post) and remind folks that I too have a class offering online shibori techniques on silk.  So I did.  So as a matter of course I was looking over my class site and re-reading what I had written almost 2 years ago.  Uh oh.

Some thing seemed odd.  I clicked over to the class on A for Artistic and saw the write up for the class with new eyes.  It is word for word the intro to my class.  Seriously.  Word for freaking word. I hadn’t recognized it the first time around as it has been a long time.  I wonder what the other materials for the class look like?

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I took screen shots of it so you can see it yourself-in case it gets changed.  I imagine once I post this  it might be removed (and the link above may not continue to work).   I approach it this way for a reason… as an example of what can go wrong when you host classes by people you (apparently) don’t know… when you don’t check things out yourself…when the urge to make a buck or two or to gain some sort of attention gets ahead of doing the right thing.

And who knows what is in the mind of someone who is copying and pasting the work of someone else and calling it their own?  In that moment doesn’t some kind of bell go off?  A twinge of guilt perhaps?  You obviously know what you are doing is wrong (of course you do!).   And now you have drawn others into your chaos…those who host your class…those who promote it sight unseen…people who sign up…other artists and makers that are part of the association or co-op where you teach and who support you and cheer you on.   Even I was taken aback by this brazenness.  Huh?? Just clicking to the previous link I newly discover that the write ups for her other shibori classes now posted all over the internet are very, very close to those I have written for other venues such as Quilt Festival, HGA, JANM and so forth.  This sort of nonsense calls everything you do into question. How can you not understand this?

OK.  So can we have some rules to follow here?

  • Create your own class descriptions.
  • Write up your own handouts.
  • Use images of your very own work to promote your teachings.
  • Create original content-both visually and in words
  • Have a little respect.  If not for others, just for yourself for cripes sakes.
  • Recognizing that much art is derivative, and that we learn from one another, provide a reasonable, if not complete, reference to your source. Give them credit and then add your own twist. (added from Martha’s suggestion in the comment section- thanks Martha!)

Some may think posting this is “unfair” or harsh.  I am willing to take responsibility for this and hope that whatever wrath I suffer will be balanced out by someone thinking twice before doing this again-to me or any other person trying to make a living off their work and using the internet in that pursuit.  I hope it helps in some small way.

Those of us who make a living encouraging creativity, artistry, learning, & craft want to share what we do and see others take what they learn and make it into something of their own. Speaking for myself, I want to enhance and expand your creative joy and sense of wonder. I enjoy teaching you new things in new ways…offering a new view.  I am not looking to see it duplicated or slightly modified so you can put it out there as your own.  What purpose does that serve anyone?  These sorts of instances take away the joy I find in doing what I do.  Please don’t kill the joy.

Last night I dreamt that every time I lifted my hand to the sky, a hummingbird landed on it. They were beautiful! And last week, I held a dragonfly who was on the verge of drowning in the backyard pond.

he sunned himself in the grass and flew away-

76 thoughts on “those who kill the creative joy

  1. Jan

    Loved the hummingbird part, but what was your point in putting all that other stuff on there?? Its probably better dealt with with the individual and not involve all of your readers.

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    1. nemoignorat

      it is important to let people know. I’m a teacher myself (though at the other side of the world and in a different venue than Glennis). I know how much work you put in a workshop (be it online or offline) and I know how disappointing and frustrating it is when other people just copy your work and hand it out as their own. And I have taken two of Glennis’ online classes and am so very glad to have had the experience. she has so much knowledge and I would never ever have had the opportunity to take a class in real life from her. so I know, how much these online classes matter to the participants as well. and it would be very sad if such an occurrance (offence even) would lead to the end of her (and other’s) online classes. It is important work and we should respect and cherish it, not rip it off.

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    2. Johanna Fritz

      I am so glad that you shared your story. You are much kinder than I would have been. I nice “cease and desist” letter from my attorney would have been e-mail to the person and the host. If that seems “over the top” what about to protect the next person to whom she does this?

      Intellectual property law may be complex, but not copying more than 3 words in a row, or it is plagiarized material , is pretty much 8th grade English. IMHO, if you cannot come up with your own description of what you are presenting, you lack the knowledge and the passion to put it in your own words.

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  2. frisbee507

    Stick to your guns Glennis! Flattery only goes so far. Such a person obviously has no pride in themselves, and most likely trying to make a quick buck; and disappointing would be students. Thus leaving a bad taste in their mouths and minds when considering future fiber art endeavors. I bitch about people taking my photos and posting them as backgrounds, or on their Facebook walls as I’m not noted for credit and do not want my Mandalas to wind up as Stock photography. People seem to think I’m stuck up when I deleate stuff off their web pages, but not willing to pay me for my time in creating the object. Hey, if they want to buy something, then they can take all the pictures they want….
    *Frisbee

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  3. Martha

    This seems almost incomprehensible. Almost. I am a retired college prof who encountered much plagiarism. There were repercussions but I wonder if it made any difference. And this is so blatant.

    I would add one suggestion to your list of excellent rules. Recognizing that much art is derivative, and that we learn from one another, provide a reasonable, if not complete, reference to your source. Give them credit and then add your own twist.

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  4. kaiteM.

    Good on you for speaking about this. This is your blog, those were your words, you can say what you like here and not apologise for it. What that other person did is pure theft, nothing less than. I’ll bet her class notes and will be yours too. At least by speaking about it here you are warning others that if they are taking her class they are “enjoying” the spoils of copyright theft.
    I lost a lot of joy in online publishing when i saw my work unacknowledged all over that Pin rubbish. The real joy in life lies in the garden with the dragonflies.

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  5. Christine

    HI Glennis, I follow your blog and really love your work. As you may know, I am not a shibori girl, but love what YOU do.
    It sucks that someone plagiarized your class descriptions and if your images were copied and posted without your permission, that is truly bad form.
    One way to protect your words and images is to have them legally copyrighted. And not just with the ‘circle+c’ (which is meaningless unless backed up with copyright). Seek out an attorney to learn more. I myself have attended lectures on this topic. Paperwork, money, blah blah blah..

    Another way is to let it go.
    I don’t mean to be cavalier, I do understand this is creative content. Your own hard work went into composing the descriptions and doing all the heavy lifting.
    Shame on those who steal words.

    Someone can copy a paragraph, but when it comes down to performance, no one can replicate your work. Try as they might, it can’t be done unless they are a compulsive forgerer, in which case…that person might be really creepy.

    Anyone can post or pin a picture of my work on pinterest from my blog, but I have the REAL work in my warm hands. I own my artwork, I have the real deal. Readers know my style, have become accustom to my way of working. Same goes for you. I can probably I.D. your work since I’ve seen so much of it on your blog. If I saw it elsewhere and it wasn’t yours, I’d question it myself.

    I have recently learned how to embed data on the file to mark it as mine. It is within the file info in Photoshop, under file info. That data stays with file. Plus I post low resolution images 72 ppi. at 6 x 4 inches. (ok so it can be copied on the web, but not printed at high rez).

    All that being said…
    I still think it’s awfully shameful to profit using someone else’s words. People are paying and signing up for a class and you are not profiting, someone else it.

    That’s the real rub.

    You might not care if you were asked in advance whether she or he could use your descriptions and then referenced, but you were not. All academic writing commands references.

    People learn eventually who is straight and true.

    Write to the person who is teaching the online class and ask that she or he remove the description and rewrite it.

    Educate. Inform. Direct. Allow for a one-time ‘opps, I didn’t know!” -type of mistake, then monitor future actions.

    I am upset for you and hope that your good karma is what matters after all.

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    1. shiborigirl Post author

      thanks for the photoshop tip. i will work on that aspect. it is something one can do. (not that i don’t already have enough to do!!)
      i am taking a different approach here. more public. i’m actually tired of useless niceties when it comes to this. people DO know-they just don’t care. and now so will others. there are just some folks i do not want to be on the same page with.

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  6. Eleanor

    How sad that someone would blatantly copy your words to promote their online class. What has happened to integrity? It is certainly a sad state of affairs, but I believe that what goes around comes around.

    On a happier note, I really love your postings. They are so calm and serene and thoughtful. I wish I had the set up to dye, I would come and take classes with you. Especially the indigo. Just love it.
    Eleanor

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  7. Maureen Price

    For years and years now I’ve seen others steal your amazing designs (first ceramics and now the shibori) and try to make a buck off of it. If you do nothing else, you have to speak up, and become an agent of change. We love you and support you. The joy of your garden and your dragonfly and other wonderous things will refresh you. The world is full of them.

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    1. shiborigirl Post author

      well, we do go back…refreshing now- but darn would it cool down so i can go out into the garage and pack boxes for the next traveling workshop. i think it’s still over 90 out there. and humid!

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  8. flowerlady

    Cheering you on Glennis! In my many years’ experience as both an editor and a jewelry designer, I’ve found that those without the imagination to create according to their own souls’ deepest desires, soon lose those very souls.
    Good for you for making a fuss and shining a light on this outrageous theft of YOUR soul’s urgings!
    You are always so generous with your knowledge. You’ve encouraged so many to follow their own souls’ leadings. Your seeds have brought much honest fruit and will continue to do so.
    Keep wondering!
    Judith from Maine

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  9. Gina

    Good on you. I applaud your courage and it IS important for everyone to know. The other problem always is that a person who doesn,t have the experience of (even looking at) great work could join such a workshop and come away thinking they have done ‘great shibori’ (or whatever the artform) and then pass it on also – eventually watering down great craft. For this other person to put up someone else’s work as their own can only mean theirs doesn’t come up to scratch (and they know it) however, how/what will they present on the online workshop? … And how did they think this was okay and they would not be found out ? … Again, good on you for speaking out. >>> Gina (Tasmania Australia)

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  10. Nicole/Beadwright

    Brava for writing this. There are so many people out there who think copyright law doesn’t pertain to them. It is rampant in the art world. Some people just DON’T want to get it. They want to use what others have worked hard to create and accomplish. I have been working to teach artists and crafters about copyright for over 25 years. Copyright it’s the law, ethics a responsibility, create with honor and integrity. It is so simple isn’t it?
    Nicole/Beadwright

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  11. sophie

    I don’t teach, but earlier this year someone started teaching a popular online quilting class based on an original quilt design and directions that I had provided on my blog a long time ago. I can’t believe that anyone still believes that anything they can read on the web is free to be stolen, repackaged and sold, but I still hear that idea expressed on a regular basis.

    If we don’t talk about it, how will the ignorant learn and the dishonest realize we see them and recognize their actions for what they are: THEFT.

    Sometimes I tell myself that those who can’t create, steal … but I know that some people who are capable of doing their own work are just too lazy to do so.

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  12. donnastitches

    I applaud you for standing up to this kind of theft. People like this find lots of excuses (so busy, tight deadline, wasn’t intentional, didn’t know it was wrong, etc etc etc). Here’s what astonishes me: The person who plagiarized from me a few years ago claims to a have Master’s in Art Education “with an emphasis in design and creative thinking.” I don’t think plagiarism is a great indicator of creative thinking. And I can’t imagine that someone unable to produce original materials would have the skills to meet her students’ needs.

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      1. donnastitches

        My concern, too. I wouldn’t expect all that much from an instructor who “cuts corners” that way. And how sad for students who could have gotten a great experience from a prepared, professional instructor and instead get a charlatan.

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  13. Karen Tsutsumida

    You should publish the website so those of us who disdain this type of theft can let this person know they are no better than a common thief!! I am a goldsmith/jewelry designer so know all too well this type of BS! Just don’t know what else to call it. DISGUSTING AND LOWLIFE!!

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  14. Susanne C. Barrie

    I am baffled… can’t imagine anyone doing what you described. Arts and crafts are so personal. At the very least the person should have contacted you and asked for guidance so that she would NOT plagerized your work! You are doing both artists, teachers and students a service by calling her on it.

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    1. shiborigirl Post author

      actually susanne, i found myself going back to the listing several times as i was writing this because there was a small part of me that thought, no, i must be somehow mistaken…

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  15. Suella

    I think that Adele may not be aware of the plagiarism. I’ve left a post on her site to alert her to your blog and our negative comments.
    Adele’s work is extremely good. I’m sure she won’t want to be associated with this sort of thing. Once her reputation is sullied it goes on for a very long time.

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    1. Suella

      I was sure Adele wasn’t aware of the situation as you posted. I’m very glad things have been resolved so well. It would be good to discuss this sort of thing on other people’s blogs as well. It does rear its ugly head from time to time. It may even be that Corina wasn’t aware that what she was doing was wrong. Things sometimes happen through ignorance of proper behavior, copyright etc. We’ve all learned something here but I’m sorry you had to go through some unnecessaryangst.

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      1. shiborigirl Post author

        suella, please don’t make me OD on aspirin, i already took two. I absolutely dismiss the concept that one does not know this is wrong. 3rd graders know this. let’s not diminish what has taken place here with such nonsense. and yes, i’d like to see more of this on other blogs as it occurs. maybe something will change.

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  16. velma

    glennis, i recently checked just one site to see if photos from my blog were there, sure enough, there were. i wrote to one person, got a reply saying ” i didn’t know it was a problem for you”…and i wrote back and there has been no answer. my class wasn’t stolen, but my photos were. permission is easy to ask for. your situation here warrants publicizing. i am also going to look into christine’s advice. i support you in this.

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      1. Adele Sciortino

        Glennis, everything has been removed from the site. As you know we have been writing back and forth privately about this matter. I do want to clear up that when this teacher approached me to teach I took her word that all her content was her own. I had no reason to question her. When I asked her for the pictures for the description she told me there were her own images. Again, I was not thinking that she had taken a class with you and plagiarized the class for her own gain. I totally agree that as artists we need to stand up for our rights.
        I have had my online class site for several years and this is the first time this has happened. For sure this has alerted me about taking on new teachers without thoroughly investigating if it is their original work or not. I will not get caught in this again.
        As teachers we work very hard to create wonderful and informative classes…it is not fair for someone to ride the train and benefit from not doing anything.
        A letter will be written to this teacher to let her know that she has not gotten away with this. I have been extremely upset about this matter.
        Ladies I appreciate every ones input. I am on your side to stand up for what is right. Have a good day!
        Adele Sciortino

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        1. steelparade

          after posting my comments below, i just now read this response from Adele. my first thought to the statement “I have had my online class site for several years and this is the first time this has happened” is how do you know? if there was little background check performed in regards to Corina Azerman, it is easy to see why one might question the validity of the other “artists” that may also be promoted on the site.

          i trust this has been a learning experience for everyone involved. we move on…

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  17. janstevenson

    Glennis, I cheer you on for gathering your own energy and patience and sense of fair-mindedness to explain what is going on. and understand you thinking that you yourself must be mistaken, since how could anyone be so blatant and dishonest. The discussion must take place somewhere and it seems some useful suggestions and support are coming from this.
    Oh. and I’ll be taking your shibori class when time allows. blessings, Jan

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  18. steelparade

    wow! you would think a host would take a mere 60 seconds to do a background check in regards to the “artist” being promoted. i Googled “Corina Azerman” and “caszerman@gmail.com”, and found very little about this person in regards to any online studies……..this could have been the first clue. other than the public singles site, Corina has no web presence. to promote such an individual with out performing a background check is very questionable. the anticipated response of “i didn’t know” is simply not acceptable in this instance. we are all accountable for our actions. in the haste of “trying to make a quick buck”, people often sacrifice their integrity. such is the case with this post, and specifically the individuals in question.

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    1. sophie

      I give Adele credit for stepping up and being responsive. I have NEVER received any response from the site hosting the instructor who stole my material, despite phone calls, emails and USPS mail to them.

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    2. Adele Sciortino

      Thank you for your post. I did run a check on her and found the same thing which I addressed her on this plus she told me she was working on her new site that would be up soon. I have other teachers that do not have a site and they are wonderful teachers that produce their own original creative online classes. So, I really could not base my decision to take her own as a teacher not having much info on the web, So, I had to rely on her word which turned out to be false. As far as Corina taking classes from Glennis I had no idea that she had done this. I already acknowledged that I should have dug deeper but I guess my mind was not thinking that someone would teach another teachers content. I have publicly apologies to Glennis and on this blog. I also stated that I would make sure this would not happen to me again. Every thing was removed immediately on the site. Plus I am writing Corina a letter which I am copying Glennis.. I respect Glennis and have known her for awhile. We do business together and have shared information because we are both teachers. Glennis knows that this is not my way of doing things. I was truly blindsided by what Corina did..
      Have a good creative day!

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      1. steelparade

        Adele- the next obvious question is “why are you promoting artist who have zero web presence?” why? who does this serve?

        it doesn’t help anybody involved……the artist, potential clients, and your hosting sight. if you we’re promoting these artist in a store only, then maybe i could buy into it. even then it would be questionable. this is not the case in this instance. the classes are being hosted and taught on line. therefore, it makes sense to have the actual instructors accountable on line as well.

        if a “wonderful teacher” has no web presence, then i would suggest having a policy that states they must have at least a website/blog/FB in order to participate with your program. if the artist does not know how to do this, then it may be time to learn. one can hire a middle school child to create a FB page which would give information of the artist in question. it may take 15 minutes to create such a page, photos, bio, and all. anybody can create an informative WordPress.com page for free in about 10 minutes. there are literally hundreds more options to post such information, photos, bio, history, all for free! once again, if the artist does not know how to do so, then spend about $20 and pay any high school kid to do it for you. this way, everyone is accountable and verifiable to at least a surface level………….as is not this case with Corina.

        to promote and host an internationally accessible service via the World Wide Web, take money via the internet for this service, and not have any accountability and information for the specific artist who are profiting from your service is………..well……..um…………problematic.

        must be 21 to enter.
        must have valid ID.
        must have a website/FB/blog to participate.

        plain and simple.

        have a wonderful fantastical awesome day!

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  19. shiborigirl Post author

    another thing i might add to this is that the textile world is filled with many wonderful folks. and mainly women. I think that part of why this sort of thing has been allowed to become more rampant in these circles and not called out is that women want to be “nice”. they don’t want to appear “mean”. mean girls aren’t nice. we can still do things the right way-be clear and firm. sometimes we don’t feel very nice. i know i certainly didn’t here. we want to trust and believe we should be able to. but we also need to be smart. it’s a new world these days. now, i’m going to take two aspirin and take the rest of the day off! thanks for removing the class Adele. (i know Adele is also reaching for the aspirin)

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  20. Christine

    Adele is human.
    Each of us makes hundreds of decisions daily.
    “Why didn’t I (fill in the blank)…”
    Please let us not query Adele about her system for hosting a teacher.
    I presume she has a sharp intuition, I also presume that she makes decisions based on past experience and good faith.
    Now she has a new experience
    And now don’t well all?

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    1. steelparade

      Ummmmm……no. I’m calling bullsh*t on this comment. There are hundreds of decisions we all make each day, this is true. But it’s accountability and solution we are after, regardless of intuition. If intuition was all it took, then we wouldn’t be in this situation. I’d like to hear of some solutions and new policies in regards to Adele’s hosting practices, and not her intuition. She is the host, she is collecting the money, she is doing the advertising. I’d like to know how she intends to prevent this nonsense from occurring again. I believe it is in her best interest to publicly let us know, and not keep us in the dark with he silence and intuition. Quite honestly, I am not impressed with her intuition. It would be impressive to hear from Adele now and for her to specifically list the policies of her teachers, online classes, and other related practices in regards to her hosting of this fraudulent “artist”. I believe we all would benefit from knowing this information, and not her intuition.

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      1. Christine

        I’m not saying that Adele based her decisions on pure intuition, rather a combination of what had worked for her in the past and Maybe, maybe intuition, please let’s not split hairs over words.

        One this is certain, it is difficult to read intent.

        I am merely trying to defuse the the situation, give her a break, I don’t know Adele but I have learned through this series of conversations that Adele knows Glennis. And that she has apologized and they are both moving forward.

        What I meant about intuition is this, that is is possible, maybe plausible, that we all make mistakes. That even when we usually do something in a particular manner or follow a particular rule, we can, for whatever reason, abandon those rules and manners and do something that isn’t within the normal and customary way of operating oneself. Heck, Adele isn’t the one who plagiarized Glennis.This chick could have plagiarized an artist from Germany for all we know and all Adele might have known, even if this woman had a blog or a website, how would she have really known the truth?

        I myself have been an art curator and have purchase hundreds of pieces of original artworks for a large private hospital system in my region. I based many of my purchases and relationships by a combination of scholarly knowledge (art), interpersonal relationships, years and years of business, gut feeling, intuition, grit, and sometimes just leaping off the cliff and looking back later to see how I was going to ‘pull something off’. And on the occasion that I went against my intuition, it came back to kick me in the butt. But I learned and moved on and didn’t repeat that mistake.

        Maybe Adele knew better, but wanted to give this other woman a break. I don’t know, I’m not a mind-reader. But I certainly don’t want to force Adele to have to promise me that she’ll have a strict policy in the future. Perhaps she’ll post a policy for vetting teachers on her blog.

        I have worked with reputable artists who have ended up acting like jerks. Nothing in their CV could have told me that. I have had amazing experiences with people I’ve hardly vetted.

        I understand what you are saying, and now, I think she’s learned a lesson an public way and has apologized.
        Adele isn’t an a large company. She is a woman who is offering online classes and is learning along the way.
        Please give her a break. And hope she will not repeat this mistake again. It’s up to the individual to decide where she/he is going to take a class and from whom and whether it’s online or in person.

        Maybe Adele will have a disclaimer that says she has done her very best to learn how legitimate a teacher is and anyone having knowledge otherwise should report it to her so she can take action.

        Dorothy Caldwell is one of the best teachers and textile artists in North America. She doesn’t have a website. (well one is in the works, but you can’t find it unless you dig really deep).

        If you want to be helpful, perhaps you can find an online teaching site that you respect and then point Adele and all of us to that site so that we all might learn how to vett teachers.

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        1. steelparade

          Ummmm……close, but not really. What you call “splitting hairs” is what I call accountability. You state that you prefer for Adele to not have a “strict policy” in the future. I see. Please know that I completely disagree. Would you like to know why? Because she is enabling con artists to blatantly steal from real artists via her online hosting service. Do you get it? She is the vehicle for such illegal behavior. As they say, ” go ahead and ignore the facts”. That’s cool. You are free to do so. In the mean time we have reckless fraudulent behavior occuring via her site, and your request is to give her a break? I’d rather give Adele an opportunity to correct her intuitive learning experiences by possibly stating clearly some STRICT POLICIES so that she will not enable this sort of active thievery via her site in the future. As for who you are and what you may have done and who you know and blablabla….. It doesn’t really change much. If you are super duper important, or like the rest of us who attempt to sustain ourselves through our work, the facts are still the facts. Corina was allowed to steal repeatedly with no accountability. I’m not looking to villianize Adele, but it would be nice for us to hear specifically how she intends to correct these loopholes. That is my way of “giving her a break”. She has been given an opportunity to come clean, and to publicly list how this may not happen again. Her name is already being dragged through the mud with each passing silent moment. But that’s nothing compared to the individuals who have had their creations stolen and hosted by Adele’s site. Adele is not the victim here. The artists who have been plagiarized and stolen from are where my focus is set. To me, that is real solution. Not intuitive mental unaccountability.

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  21. Sally

    Copyright infringement and plagarism should never be taken lightly. It is stealing. When you copy, word for word, another’s it is not an accident or a mistake. I think you are most certainly within your rights to post this and let others know.
    Sally

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  22. Candy Glendening

    Glennis, this just makes me sick! I’m so sorry it happened to you, worry that it could happen to me, and am happy that in this case the offense was dealt with – here’s hoping Adele sends anyone who registered for the class already your way. I do remember the initial post on the dyerslist about this class – I’m on digest and haven’t heard anything else on list about this. Did you write in about this? Or would it help if I wrote in about this? We dyers are a small community, and that list is a wonderful resource for all of us, false information and plagiarism mentioned there should most definitely be corrected there as well.

    Please email me if I can help with this!

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  23. anna in tampa

    I have been reading – people who wantingly STEAL from others for their own gain are THIEVES. You know in the days of the old west, horse thieves were hung – some might say “harsh punishment” – but wait – the reason for the deservedly harsh punishment was : if someone stole your horse, chances are you couldn’t make a living, therefore a stolen horse could mean life or death for the victim – so anyone who steals someone’s method of livelihood, deserves harsh punishment – too bad we can’t ‘HANG EM HIGH!!!

    Now on another note – holding a beautiful dragonfly in one’s hands – what a surreal experience – a live, heart beating, winged creation of G-d – wonder of wonders. That is an extraordiarily beautiful dragonfly – looks like spun gold…
    ant

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  24. jan in nagasaki

    some brilliant and talented artists have spoken here…. i personally own amazing stuff from 3 of you…. the fact that someone tried to STEAL ideas, photos and materials and pass it off as their own is a crime.
    I also wanted to make perfectly clear that i am not and do not agree with the Jan who commented much earlier in this discussion.
    Keep up the fight, keep the art pure and don’t let the bastards get you down..

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  25. Shirley Goodwin

    Some people, unfortunately, are ignorant about copyright issues and think they have the right to reproduce ANYTHING. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It certainly is theft – unfortunately (again), clubs and guilds are often guilty of photocopying and distributing copyrighted patterns and instructions.

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  26. Debbie

    I think you were well within bonds in your post. On one hand, alerting others about what did, does, and can happen. On the other, you were a victim of theft and have all those feelings that were caused through no fault of your own. I’m glad posting helped to release them 🙂

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